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Saturday, July 14, 2007

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mymymichl

There's a twist which is only beginning to dawn on us: The current administration is The Flim Flam Man, and saw an amazing chance in one fell swoop to take over a nation, loot its treasury, make gargantuan profits from the war, pack a supreme court so no one would ever be able to chase them down and call them to account.

They're nearly out the door, and I wonder if we'll smarten up and get at Cheney and then nail Bush before it's too late.

I hope Congress decides to revoke some presidential pardons. That way no president will be able to get away with what Bush senior did when he wiped away the culpability of the savings and loan gangsters. That was small change compared to what his dynasty did in the way they hijacked an entire country.

KevinQC

Aatom, don't be so doom and gloom! We've made mistakes in Iraq. War is a risky and ever changing proposition. As Churchill said at the beginning of WWII:

"Never, never, never believe any war will be smooth and easy, or that anyone who embarks on the strange voyage can measure the tides and hurricanes he will encounter. The statesman who yields to war fever must realize that once the signal is given, he is no longer the master of policy but the slave of unforeseeable and uncontrollable events."

Unfortunately our the current administration is sort on Churchill and long on stubbornness. To paint the picture as an utter failure at this point is as shortsighted as declaring it a total success.

Scott

I'm not really sure I want to dive into this little cesspool of misstatement you've got going here Michael but I will say this; I've never demanded eternal guilt just an admission that those who supported the war were wrong. You just sort of did that so thanks so much. But I'd suggest that there were other factors at work than the two over simplified excuses that you present for why people like you bought into the march for war and one of those factors may be that you simply weren't paying close enough attention.

Contrary to your other incorrect assertion about me Michael, I'm not anti-war as my many years of service in the Marines will attest to. I'm anti THIS WAR and I am anti this war because I and people like me paid attention at the very begining and realised that we were being sold a bill of goods. You and people like you had exactly the same information but either chose to ignore it or didn't care.

And although your "cruel hangover" is apparently just now setting in you should be thankful that you've not had to suffer from it for as long as a lot of your fellow countrymen who weren't so willing to suspend their disbelief as you. Our hangover has been going on since 2003 and has no end in sight.

Aatom

Sorry, I should have been more specific about your tendencies, I actually did mean "anti-this war" when I made that reference.

Scott

And I apologize for the "cesspool" crack.

SpragueD

You needn't beat yourself up over believing what we were told in the manic run up to the war. The media and Congress also bought into the scenarios presented. Many who supported the war did so with the best of intentions. They just didn't map onto reality. There are some people who have a lot to account for (including Colin Powell who surely was in a position to disrupt the war machine, but did not), though accountability is in short supply thesedays since, as Pelosi says, impeachment is "off the table".

Every generation seems to have their moment when the callous incompetence of those in power is exposed and leads to a period of wariness of governmental overreach. This is ours.

Aatom

In that respect, Sprague, I suppose there is a bit of a silver lining to this. We should be wary of those in power, otherwise they feel free to spends hundreds of billions of dollars fighting a losing battle in the desert somewhere, driving their country and their party into the crapper in the process. My heart was in the right place when I signed on to this thing, but I trusted the wrong people, and we got screwed. The problem is that we still have quite a mess on our hands, and no one competent to clean it up yet.

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